#OurNewNormal | Christy Morgan of Portugal

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Continuing on with the #OurNewNormal sessions, the fifth one involves yet another person that I connected with during the Vida Vegan Con in the United States, Christy Morgan of Blissful and Fit. In the episode, Christy shares just what it’s been like living in Portugal during the COVID-19 pandemic. From why she didn’t go back home to the United States to the role of board games in keeping her positive, Christy and I touch on plenty of things as she explains what’s involved in her new normal.

To read the writing I mentioned in regard to fighting to keep the positive changes, please visit my Medium page here.

For more info on the things mentioned during the session, please visit Christy’s website.

To enter the giveaway for a free retreat, sign-up to her email list: https://blissfulretreatbandb.com/


Although the interview was originally done as a video chat, you can now listen to it in an audio-only format available on most podcast platforms, as well as below.


Ryan: Welcome everybody again to another one of the T.O.F.U. Talks sessions revolving around the global pandemic that pretty much all of us are going through. I’m hoping that with the conversations with all these different people we’ll be able to kind of find some connections with what we’re dealing with and maybe also learn a few things of the different places that everyone is. So, on that note, could you introduce yourself? 

Christy: Yeah. Hi, I’m Christy Morgan. I have a brand called the Blissful and Fit Chef, and I am a vegan chef. I’m a cooking instructor, and I also do yoga classes and fitness training. So, kind of the whole health and wellness, mind, body, food, the whole package, I like to say. So, yeah, probably many of your readers and followers have maybe been to my site. I’ve been blogging for over a decade, longtime vegan. One of those old timers moving into eighteen years now, so we ain’t dead yet. So, it’s, you know, It’s okay. If you’re just starting, you have good things to look forward to.

Ryan: I know, we were talking just before we started this, but we, as far as I can remember, we met during one of the Vida Vegan Cons. I can’t remember. Was it the first one or maybe the second? Did you, were you at all three?

Christy: Yeah, I went to both. Or all three.

Ryan: Okay.

Christy: I went to at least two. So, yeah we definitely hung out back then we might have even been on a panel together or something? I don’t know.

Ryan: Probably.

Christy: That was so long ago. 

Ryan: Most of the people I talked with, we were kinda, like, we were debating, it was like “oh, this was just a little while ago” and other people were like “no, it was a while ago” and, but I’m realizing, like, how many friends and, like, connections I made through that whole thing because I’ve been doing these talks, like “so, when did we meet?” and it’s like “oh, yeah, okay it was VVC”. So, I got, I mean, hopefully I’ll get at least one or two of the women that were behind that thing on this. We’ll see. I’ve put the emails out there. We’ll see what happens, but, on this note, you’re here with me now, so we’ll focus on that. Where are you right now? 

Christy: Right now? I’m in Portugal. I live in a small city called Santorum, which is about an hour north of Lisbon. So, I’m on a small farm, and it’s quite a nice place to be isolated actually.

Ryan: So, but originally you’re from the States, right?

Christy: Yeah, I’m American. I am from Texas, but I moved to Europe over two years ago. So, I immigrated, officially, away from the U.S. as a decision over two years ago. In February, it was two years. So, I was living in Berlin for a year and a half, and then I just moved to Portugal actually. February. To buy land and open a retreat centre, and have my own little apocalyptic sanctuary where I grow my own food. No, I’m just kidding. It’s going to be a retreat centre where people can come do yoga and wellness retreats and it’s gonna be a bed and breakfast. So, that’s the plan once travel resumes.

Ryan: Yeah, because I know, I think, you know, at least from what I’ve been seeing about your posts and stuff, I knew you’d been, there had been some travel as of the last little while. So, if you got to Portugal in February, how have things changed over the last, I guess, like, two and a half months for you being there I mean? I don’t know when the first case was there or anything, but I feel like February might have been kind of an interesting time?

Christy: Well, Portugal was really fast in its response to sort of lock things down, cancel schools, close tourism, like, close government offices. We did that early March, and we only had like maybe two or three hundred tested cases at the time or  maybe a thousand. Obviously, that was for people being tested, but it was really good that the government decided to do that so quickly ’cause we got ahead of the curve, unlike in Italy, France, Germany, and our borders, our bordering countries, because he took quick action. So, we’ve, I’ve personally been in self-isolation for, I think today’s thirty seven or thirty eight days, and the state of, ’cause where I live I’m isolated anyway. All my friends are in Lisbon, and I was taking Portuguese class in Lisbon while I was spending half the week in Lisbon with my friends, doing fun stuff, going to vegan restaurants, and then I was spending half the week isolated on a farm. So, I left my friends on Thursday, that Thursday, like over a month ago. 

Ryan: Three years ago seems like…

Christy: “Goodbye, I’ll see you next week for my fortune class” and that’s when, like, kind of shit hit the fan. Can I curse?

Ryan: Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, no worries.

Christy: And then we all decided to self-isolate at that point, and then, like, a few days later, we were put in an actual official state of emergency. But it’s a lot chiller than what you see in Italy or some other countries because the president has really, I guess that’s what he’s called, he doesn’t want to give people PTSD from the previous dictatorship that Portugal was in, Like, a lot of people don’t know Portugese history, and, of course, I learned it as I visited here and moved here because I did two-three week trips before I moved here to get a feel for it and I did a lot of walking tours and learned a lot of history. So, they had a lot of traumatic, recent history. So, the president didn’t want to put people in this, so contained, that they, you know, they just rebelled or felt bad about it. So, it was kind of like “okay, we’re closing schools. We’re closing all non-essential businesses. Cafes can do take out. Obviously, the post office is still open, and very few things, the pharmacy, the grocery stores. We, he, you know, you can only have so many people in a store at one time, but I noticed that people were not really taking it seriously. It wasn’t until like a month in that people actually started taking it seriously. Every time I went to the store, nobody was covering their face, the workers were not even covering their face. I went to the store even yesterday ’cause I go maybe once a week, every two weeks, I try not to get out too much. And even after finally people are saying “wear masks”, people in the stores are still not wearing masks and it really upsets me. I was one of the first people that I saw in the expat groups and in my friend group. I was, like, weeks and weeks ago, I was saying, I don’t know if you saw any of my Facebook posts, I was like “this not wearing masks is the one thing that they do in the Wast that we’re not getting in the West and that is exactly why our members have jumped so high. Asymptomatic. Like, people just don’t know, they’re just touching everything and spreading it. And, I don’t have a mask ’cause I can’t get a hold of one, but I have this scarf thing that I wear, and I remember, three weeks ago, I went to the store, and I was literally the only person covering my face, and I had gym clothes on, I had, like, a tank top and gym clothes on, with this big scarf on my face and people were all looking at me like “she’s a weirdo” and I was like “I don’t care, I’m not taking a risk”. Sorry I just went off on a tangent there.

Ryan: No, no. That’s okay, I mean, not, like, I was, you kind of answered a few other questions that have popped up from this. I was wondering, like, whether or not you felt, like, sort of the community in general was responding well? ‘Cause I mean obviously different countries have had like different responses. I mean, like, I feel, like, here I will say that, I don’t feel, like, stuff, like, say the masks or social distancing is being really followed here, but, I mean, a lot of the businesses and stuff are doing it, but obviously, like, a big part of that sort of Southeast Asia is, like, the street businesses, like, the food carts and stuff, and so I don’t feel I’m seeing that on that level, like, street markets here are still happening every morning and you can’t social distance that, like, it’s just people everywhere. Relative to what it was say two months ago, it’s definitely slower, but it’s still happening. I mean the mask thing culturally was already sort of thing here, but I still, like, I can go out to go to the market and a look around be like “why? Why am I, like, the one wearing one, like, why are you not and you not?”. So, I was gonna ask, like, how ’cause, I mean, obviously I’ve heard, I had friends that were gonna move to Spain, and now that’s totally on hold because Spain kind of became, like, one of the, you know, one of the ones that was sort of not going so well, and, like you said, like, I hadn’t heard a lot about Portugal, so I was interested to get that feedback from you. So, but for you, like, it was going to be, like, this was, your plan was to stay there, so you’re not, like, stuck in Portugal or anything like that?

Christy: Exactly. Yeah, you were gonna ask me if I was gonna go home. Well, this is my home now. I had no reason to go back to the United States. Europe, as you probably know, has socialized healthcare, and a lot of other great things, and Portugal itself, I mean, I just, it was such a good idea. I’m so, I feel so lucky that I chose Portugal because not only did they, you know, quickly respond to this crisis, they made it a mandate that people that were waiting for their residency, ae actually residents and can get access to healthcare or anything they need and my appointments in July. So, I’m in limbo right now. In between residency, ’cause I’m not longer a German resident, but I’m a Portugal resident yet, so I was like “oh great. This is a great time to be in limbo”, but then the government said. “hey, you’re technically a resident right now” and I was like “cool. How cool is that?” like, now I know if I need healthcare or if I need something, I will have it. So, I think Portugal is actually getting praised for its response. I don’t know if you’ve seen some articles. There’s lots of articles going around. And I don’t know that it’s, I mean, it is justified, but I think partly we’re less populated, we’re on the edge of the continent, so we’d have less people coming in, like, they closed the borders very quickly. Also, I don’t think we’re doing enough testing here, so a lot of people. Well, here’s the thing, like, I don’t know about the numbers in other places, but here, at first, when we were first getting a lot of testing, it was people in my age group, basically thirty to fifty that was the highest, so the most people getting it and being tested were healthy, and so they weren’t passing. And so, our numbers looked really good because we weren’t having many deaths, but now, over the last few weeks, the older group of people that are seventy plus has skyrocketed. So, I think they are not actually following the rules out. When I go out, I see all the old people, like, hanging out at the, you know, like they do. I mean, of course, they’re bored out of their minds, like we all are, so they’re hanging out in groups, and then, of course, all the Portuguese culture is very family-oriented, so you, every weekend, you’re going to your grandparents and your parents and your cousins and everybody’s getting together. So, all these, I think all the young people that have it are unconsciously giving it to older people, so we’re seeing a shift and that’s what, you know, that’s what worries me ’cause I know that people here that are younger are going to be fine, but it’s older people that are really not following the guidelines.

Ryan: It’s kinda the same here, like, well what I mentioned, but when I go out, who I see kinda hanging around, you know, playing their backgammon or just sitting around and drinking and chatting or whatever would definitely be the older crowd. I mean the neighbourhood I’m in isn’t exactly the hip part of Saigon. So, I think maybe that shifts it a little bit, but still, I had, you know, I was giving shit to family members at home, like, my sister was kind of freaked out kind of early on, but, and my mom was too, like, my dad was just like “eh, whatever”, you know. He was going on trips with a bunch of his friends and stopping in to see his grandparents on the way home and I was just like “no” I was like “leave my grandparents out of this. Don’t go near them”. And they were all going out and socializing. His parents are very social people, and they also have a thing about going to, like, funerals, like, even if they don’t necessarily are really close to the people that pass, they’ll still, like, go, and, in my home province, that was the biggest cluster so far was this funeral home that had two funerals on the same day and led to, like, a hundred fifty cases and, like, so that was just like “nooooo” and so now of course that’s like cut-off. I actually, earlier today, I heard, I don’t know if you’ve sort of been around anywhere where there’s like a Buddhist funeral procession, like, It’s a very loud sort of celebratory thing. I heard one this morning, and all I could think of was like “how many people are gathering at this funeral thing?” because it’s usually, like, it lasts for a few days and, like, there’s lots of food involved, like you said, like, it’s a very sort of group thing and I’m just like “oh, no, no”, I mean, luckily, the numbers here are really low. So, the chances are pretty good that it won’t be a thing, but still it’s like “but no people, like, we’re doing this for a reason. None of us want to be stuck. like, we want this to be over”.

Christy: Yeah, because Portugal reacted so quickly, we’ve already flattened our curve. It’s been flat actually. It’s actually been flat for weeks, like, they were really smart to make the restrictions so hardcore because I’m shocked at how fast our curve has been completely flat for weeks. So, yeah, so they’re already talking about next month, in May, slowly loosening some of the restrictions and opening up some more businesses. So, we’ll see. I’m comfortable here, and I’ve been super productive, and I’m saving a lot of money not going to Lisbon and not partying and I’m working out more, working out every day, and I’m cooking every day, and I’m doing all this work. Of course, I’m allowing myself to have fun and play online games and socialize with friends online and stuff, but I might, even if they open the restrictions, I may still take some more time and just chill and, you know, hunker down, and I’m working on my new website and, you know, as a blogger, you can always be writing. I feel bad because I haven’t written any blogs this whole time, but I work in marketing and I do have clients that I write lots of content for so usually they get all my good energy, my good writing vibes, and then I don’t really feel like writing my own blog.

Ryan: Has there been, like, a sort of negative shift in terms of that stuff or has it been okay so far for you, like, in terms of clients and, like, traffic and all that?

Christy: I did get some of my hours cut at my side job, and of course I was about to buy a house, which I’m actually in the process of signing, so all that kind of got pushed back a lot. So, and then, of course, tourism shutdown. And who knows when flights may actually resume, like, yes, they may loosen restrictions and open businesses, but they’re not gonna let people start flying, like, immediately, like, that’s what we don’t want, like, at least, I mean, we do want that because Portugal is built on tourism and it’s been really exploding in the last year or two and a lot of people are suffering, but, thankfully, the government did step in with some stimulus package or whatever to help tourists and self-employed people and stuff. But yeah, I remain hopeful. Through the whole thing, I have remained hopeful. Through the whole thing, I’ve been encouraging people to think about the positives and not get so bogged down with the negatives and to make-up stuff about the future that you don’t know, like, if you’re gonna make-up things about the future that we don’t know, why not make things up positive? Why not think the positive stuff? And I just see people constantly, because I’m on different Facebook groups and stuff, and people are always so negative about what’s going to happen. I’m like “you know, why not just think about what you do want, not what you don’t want?”

Ryan: Yeah, I actually, well some of the writing I’ve done, is around the fact that, like, there have been some, I mean, I wouldn’t wish for this to have happened or, like, to happen again, but there have been some sort of interesting shifts in, like, of, you know, I mean especially say, like, within Canada and the States and stuff. I mean, I’m not so familiar with what’s been happening in Europe in terms of, like, new laws and stuff, but there’s been some interesting shifts and sort of conversations have been highlighted around, like, things, like, health care and, you know, different social programs and everything which have been, like, decades-long fighting, like “Oh, we can’t do, it can’t be done, bla bla bla”, and then, now because suddenly, like, the whole country or the countries are like “we need to do this or otherwise, like, we’re just gonna, you know, shrivel up and go away” and so now it’s, like, I’m hopeful that maybe that sort of momentum can be like continued and some of the things that have been put in place, we can kind of, like, fight to make sure that they’re not like “okay, nope, that’s gone again”. I mean obviously you know some things, like, say the border restrictions, I hope that those will eventually be taken away, I mean because there have been conversations, of course, of, like, creating more borders, but, yeah, I mean there has been some positive stuff and I think I’ve tried to sort of promote that a little bit. I mean, what are, like, what are some of the positive thinking things that you’ve been telling people, what are the ones that you’re really kinda holding on to?

Christy: Well, the way I see it is, we needed a fucking wake-up call, like, things are not okay, and, especially in the United States, like, I am so thankful that I do not live there anymore when I see all the stuff that’s happening there and the system there is built on capitalism. It’s built on the richer getting richer. It’s built on bottom ninety nine percent never catching-up and I see my friends struggle so much there, and, of course, we have the destruction of the environment, animal cruelty, which is being highlighted now, all these things that we’ve been doing too much. We’ve been too greedy. We’ve been too superficial. We’ve been, you know, too everything, right? So, everything had to stop, and my hope is that people have taken this time to really think about what’s important to them, and maybe shift some of their values and morals into other areas that are less, you know, over consumption and destructive of and all this sort of stuff. So, I mean, that’s my hope. Some say “no, people are not gonna change. Nothing’s ever gonna change. People are going to, they’re going to lift the restrictions and everybody’s gonna go back to the way they were” and, like, I don’t know, this has been pretty traumatic. This has been the biggest thing that we’ve ever experienced in our lifetime.

Ryan: Yup.

Christy: So, I don’t see how everybody can just go back to normal. 

Ryan: I mean I think, I like to think that maybe, and I’ve kind of, this is kind of the way I’ve framed, like, a lot of the activism, is that maybe it’s not going to be, like, alright suddenly eighty percent of the population is going to be, like “cool, minimalism, veganism!” But I feel, like, there maybe will be, like, a larger chunk of that middle that’ll go “oh, well, yeah”, you know, that, like, otherwise we just kind of be like “okay, come on, come over” and it’d be, like, a few people at a time. I feel, like, this has been sort of a really big thing that, you know, there will be, like, a change and, I mean, depending on the news you follow there have been some pretty nice changes over the last few years, and, I mean, obviously, like, again in the States, there have been, like, those political conversations that before wouldn’t have reached a level that they did. So, yeah, I mean, I’m hopeful with that too, you know, we’ll see I guess, right? So, okay. You talk about kind of, like, keeping a routine and exercising and thinking positively. Is there anything else that you’ve kind of been doing to just kind of get through this and be able to cope with it and keep that positive attitude that, you know, you’re trying to put out there for everybody else too?

Christy: I create a lot of content on social media, so I feel like that hasn’t changed, but I definitely am trying to be as inspirational as possible through my social media content. I’ve just been focusing on this new retreat and getting my website up and the kind of retreats I want to offer and the space I wanna create, and, I mean, I started doing online gaming as a way to cope. Honestly, I can’t believe that this is the person I am, but I love board games. I had a boyfriend in Germany last year who worked at a board game store and and was into board games, and he got me into board games. And they’re super strategic., like, they use your brain so much. They’re not just, like, video games where you’re just, like, shooting and killing people or whatever, like, board games are quite strategic. So, he got me into them and then, when I moved to Lisbon, one of my good friend’s husband is into board games as well and she’s not. So, every time I would go and stay with them, him and I would play board games. So, he showed me this online platform called “Board Game Arena” where him and I can play board games together while, from afar, so this whole time we’ve been playing games and it’s been great. I’ve learned, like, five new games that are really cool, and I honestly have not watched Netflix, but, like, twice because I’m doing these games because I feel, like, I’m getting more out of it. It’s still fun and relaxing, but I’m getting a lot more out of it because I’m using my brain and I have to really think about things, but also you do get this, like, dopamine hit when you win and and you don’t get that from Netflix, like, you watch something and even if it’s a feel good movie, you might feel a little bit of serotonin or something, but with gaming, I totally get why people gamble. I totally get why people ruin their lives with gambling. Obviously, I wouldn’t be playing online games, if I had a life outside of my home, but I totally get it now because it does feel good to win, so not that I’m encouraging anybody to start online gaming, but if you need something that sort of relaxing, yet is still using your brain, then it’s awesome. 

Ryan: Yeah, I am every now and then I’ll play with a friend of mine at home, but the time zones make it sorta difficult to match up. Plus, I mean, still he luckily still has his job, but he was doing, like, a nine to five, Monday to Friday, so it didn’t quite work. But I’ve played a few different games. But I started one, earlier this week, but, and usually, it’s like, I usually win, but it’s a fairly long drawn-out thing, so it just kinda keeps me occupied for a few days and, you know, breaks up the day. But this time around, I think I’m going to lose, and so, it’s just, I didn’t get that satisfying thing. Now, I’m just, like, frustrated. It’s okay, if you kind have to have that sorta, like, grind for a while and you’re, like, you know, you’re gonna win eventually. You just kinda gotta get through stuff, but now I’m like “I think I’m going to lose. This is not why I started this, like, I want…

Christy: Yeah, I don’t like games like that or I don’t get used to losing.

Ryan: But It’s funny…

Christy: Just trying to be the best version of myself.

Ryan: Because the couple that I know is going to move to Spain, the Guy is a big board game, I don’t know what the name is, like, nerd?

Christy: Fanatic.

Ryan: Okay, yeah. Board game fanatic. He’s big on the Kickstarter and, like, the GoFundMe campaigns for certain games, which is a big industry that I didn’t know about until I started talking with him, and every time they’d go back to Canada, like, he’d have all these things mailed to him, he’d go back into Thailand and he got stopped once or twice ’cause, you know, he had these big boxes, like, still wrapped and everything and they thought he was, like, bringing them in to sell, and he’d just be like “no, like, I’m just a fanatic, like, this is for me” and his wife just be like “yeah, he really spent that much money on a board game”.

Christy: Sounds like my ex-boyfriend.

Ryan:  But I mean, like, yeah. They can get really serious, like, it’s way more complicated than say, like, I dunno was Sorry, like, a thing in the States when you were a kid? Sorry, or what was it called? Or Clue is one I think that was pretty…

Christy: Oh, yeah. Clue is a classic. I love Clue.

Ryan: Yeah, okay. Yeah, but I mean some of the ones that I’ve seen him breakout. I’m just, like “what? Do I just roll the dice and go around?” He’s like “no, no. I have to explain” and there’s a manual that, like, forty pages.

Christy: Exactly.

Ryan: But that’s cool. I didn’t know that there was like an online version. But that’s that’s good. 

Christy: Yeah, if you wanna play, let me know.

Ryan: I might look into it. Actually, I read a piece a while ago about how, I mean, sort of stereotypically, like, there’s the idea that say, like, women are usually a little more open to, like, say have a phone call or a chat and kind of, like, vent. But someone had done, there’s a study done on, like, how a lot of guys were using, like, online gaming as an avenue because a lot of them say have, like, the voice thing and so while they’re playing they can just kind of be like “hey, how is your week?” or whatever. So, some people have found that they’ve been able to have those connections without having to be like “hey, can we crack open a bottle of wine and chat tonight, like, I’m stressed out?” instead they’re like “hey, you wanna play, like, some whatever” and then they get into it. So, I think there’s some mental health benefits. I mean, obviously there’s, you know, there’s some drawbacks that can happen too, but I think maybe, I don’t now, maybe I’m just trying to justify the fact that I play games.

Christy: I don’t have an addictive personality thankfully, so I can quit anytime. 

Ryan: So, now it’s, when do they have, like, a window of when they might be starting to open things, maybe when they’re, like…

Christy: They extended the state of emergency till may first or third or second, and then they have the opportunity to do two more weeks, and then they, by law or whatever, they can’t renew it again, so it looks, like, they may renew it again or they may not. I really don’t know.

Ryan: But, I mean, yeah, it’ll be like a slow progression.

Christy: For sure by mid-may we’re gonna be opening businesses again. I’m guessing schools will not be opening, just because they’re gonna be ending the year soon after that anyway They’ll probably just start in the fall. 

Ryan: When things do end and you’re kind of given the “all clear”, what’s your first plan? Are you heading to Lisbon or you got a restaurant or anything in mind or friends you’re gonna call and meet up with? 

Christy: Totally. Yeah, definitely. All my friends are in Lisbon. So, and all the good vegan restaurants are there. So, I already had, my birthday is actually May 13th. There’s this cute town an hour and a half east in Portugal, and there’s this like eco hotel that my friend has been chatting with. So, my plan is to bring her and my other two good friends for like a overnight or a weekend trip to this little town. That is, if things open up again. ‘Cause if we go, and they’re not open, it’ll be kinda boring. So, I’m waiting, but that’ll be kind of, like, my birthday, my late belated birthday celebration. So, I’m really looking forward to that. I was supposed to do a yoga teacher training last week, which, of course, got cancelled and moved to September, and September is a really long time, so I would love to do some kind of yoga training, but I think a lot of them got cancelled. So, I really just have to see what happens with travel, but if I can travel in Portugal, which we should be able to by May, I may just, you know, do some little weekend trips around Portugal. There’s actually a food forest course and a permaculture course I wanna take. So, yeah, I mean, I have things I wanna do for sure, but probably limited to Portugal for now, which is not a bad place to be.

Ryan: Yeah, no. I mean, I’ve definitely, I have a few, like, family friends that have started going there, you know, during the winter or whatever, they’ll go over and I’ve heard really good things. So, I mean, it’s on my map somewhat, but I think you definitely know way more than I do about the place. I’m already after learning a few things from talking with you.

Christy: Yeah, come.

Ryan: Yeah, hopefully, I mean, I don’t know when. Right now, I have to figure out the trip back home to Canada because I cancelled that, supposed to happen at the end of next month. So, we’ll see. I’m hoping that it won’t be, like, winter again ’cause I don’t want to go back in winter, but the idea of waiting to, like, next spring or next summer is just like “no” because it was so close and, you know, I started thinking about “okay, what am I going to buy, like, what are the new things there that I’m not seeing here in Asia?” and everything, and I mean family and stuff too, but, you know, but so well fingers crossed for you about the birthday thing. That sounds like it’ll be really good way to kind of book end this whole historic moment that we’re all dealing with. And thank you so much for sharing your sort of little, I keep wanting to say “corner of the world”, but I don’t really believe in the flat earth thing, so thanks for the window on your piece of the world.

Christy: Thank you.

Ryan: Yeah, hopefully the next time, maybe, we cross paths it’ll actually be in person somewhere. 

Christy: Yeah, and I forgot to mention that I’m actually doing a giveaway for a retreat.

Ryan: Okay.

Christy: As sort of, like, hope and inspiration for people when they actually can travel again. So, yeah, if anybody wants to enter my giveaway just go to my website. 

Ryan: How long will that be going on? 

Christy: I think I’m gonna do one each month actually.

Ryan: Okay, cool. Because I’m probably, I’ll start, like, posting these next week, so I can maybe bump yours up in the queue to make sure that, you know, if you’re gonna do it every so often then that’s okay, but I’ll get the link and stuff from you so I can include that in the description and stuff. 

Christy: Cool.

Ryan: Alright, awesome. 

Christy: It was good to talk to you. Thank you.

Ryan: Yeah, it’s been awhile. I hope you have a good day and we will talk again at some point 

Christy: Thank you. Bye.

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